Throwing the race card card on MyDD

It has become a pattern on MyDD and other online communities: First, a Clinton surrogate is caught with a racially insensitive or at least quite stupid remark. Second, some Obama supporters on the web overreact and throw the race card. In the meantime, the Obama campaign asks the Clinton campaign to distance themselves from the remarks and take consequences. Third, some Clinton supporter on the web throw the race card card. And in doing so, they completely and utterly lose perspective.

This has been happening once again today and it is not good for the Democratic party nor the online community.

I just want to make some points that I think are very important in this context.

1. Clinton/Obama supporters online are not part of either campaign. Period. That seems obvious, but it needs to be repeated because some people just don't seem to get that difference.

2. Hillary Clinton is not a racist. Barack Obama is not a misogynist. That is just common sense.

3. Barack Obama and has never claimed that Hillary Clinton is a racist. Some people here seem to imply that with their hateful statements, but it is just a fact that he never claimed anything like that, nor did his campaign. In the particular incident we are talking about right now, his campaign was enraged by the alleged double standards that apply within the Clinton campaign, comparing its reaction now to the reaction to the "monster" comment by Samantha Powers. If that is throwing the race card, then I don't what throwing the race card means anymore.

4. Geraldine Ferraro should know much better. Apparently, she doesn't. That's why she should be removed from any post she has in the Clinton campaign, immediately. First, her remarks are utterly stupid and misinformed. How many Black US Senators do we have? And how many women? Got my point already? If not, read again. Secondly - and I give her that she might not be aware of this herself - but her remarks are at the least racially insensitive. They bring up this affirmative action cliche that so many Blacks in a position of power are fighting against. That, somehow, they had an easier time getting to where they are, even though the contrary is still a reality in the US. And it is just a fact that this cliche is still very much alive with low-income White Democrats in rural parts of states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. And they just happen to be the demographics that have/will put Clinton over the top in these states. It is thus - whether intended or not - a dog-whistle of the worst kind. That doesn't imply that Ferraro is a racist. She is most probably not, but her remarks are very ill-advised by all accounts, independently of whether she is a racist or not. Can we agree on that?

5. I'm getting really tired os some of the memes pushed here by some candidate supporters. And frankly, I mean mostly Clinton supporters. But I might be blind to the other side of the story due to my own preferences, I give you that. What really annoys me is when people start spreading rumors and blatant lies and act as if they were facts. In the current context, what really pisses me off is when people put the blame for the current racial controversies on Sen. Obama's shoulders by saying that he played the race card. They don't seem to find it necessary to proof that or even give a quote, they just claim it. That doesn't help. It makes you look small.



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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (1.50 / 2)

I still don't know why people are so offended about what Ferraro said.  

As a black man, I have been saying that very thing for months.  Obama has benefited from being Black.  If he were not Black he would not have the success he has had thus far.  He has skillfully played the race card throughout this campaign (directly when speaking before a Black audience and indirectly because of what he "represents" to people about America.  

Seriously, it sounds like a bunch of white folks feeling proud of themselves by getting offended.

Grow up.


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by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:31:48 AM EST

Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

This is, on it's face, nonsense. If a young, intelligent, eloquent, and charismatic white man was running against Hillary, who is objectively not any of those things (except intelligent), this race would be over now.


by amiches on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:34:28 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (2.00 / 1)

yes, he would have been defeated already.

to be honest, you folks have to admit that part of his appeal is that he is Black.  how many times I have read people opining about what a President Obama would "represent"?

give me a break.


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by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:36:58 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

Part of the appeal is that he is black. Sure. But there is a flip side to it too. Part of the backlash is also because he is black.


by Pravin on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:48:27 AM EST
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Indeed. (none / 0)

Great comment.  It certainly works both ways, doesn't it?

I do believe that some Obama supporters are on permanent patrol, looking for ways to point the finger and cry "Racism."  When this happens it creates an extended hub-bub around the media, pumping up Obama supporters, but at the same time causing a back lash by those who are aghast at race-baiting.  

Obama's blackness is part of his great appeal, but it is impossible to be black in this society without carrying the burden of history.

Similarly, it is impossible to be a woman candidate for the presidency and not carry the burden of historical gender discrimination.  

Both of our excellent candidates are who they are and we have to live with that....and with each other.  As always, this is a challenge we have to face.


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:03:04 AM EST
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BRockNYC - yes - what more can really be said.. (2.00 / 1)

I don't think that they are fooling many people, but they give already pro GOP newswriters another hook they can write about to bash Clinton more.


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by architek on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:04:31 PM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (2.00 / 2)

I think it's a two way street though too, people talk about what Clinton would "represent."  You know?  I'm voting for her, because I believe in her and think she genuinely cares about people, not because she's a woman.  I think it has to be the same way for some Obama supporters.


by ejintx on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:48:54 AM EST
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Bravo (none / 0)

I think this is probably the most sensible comment I've read on MyDD all year.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:51:23 AM EST
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Re: Bravo (none / 0)

Agreed.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:52:23 AM EST
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Re: Bravo (none / 0)

Thanks!  I wish I hadn't screwed up the commas though.


by ejintx on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:53:27 AM EST
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But, there is nothing wrong with supporting someone b/c of what they represent.  Of course, part of my support for Hillary is because of the woman she is.  I'm not ashamed of that.  I think that is a valid consideration on my part.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:53:48 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

And that's your right as a voter, but I'm just saying it's an unusual election because of the "revolutionary" nature of it.  Honestly, the more I look at them, the more I see the same things as before - we're simply making a big deal about their individual characteristics.  I think it's just the nature of the game that they sound like Democratic politicians of yesterday.

Does it speak volumes that the party will nominate either an African-American or a woman?  Absolutely.  I just don't think we should feel that politics will be fundamentally changed because of it.


by ejintx on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:59:31 AM EST
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I agree with that... (none / 0)

...If a young, intelligent, eloquent, and charismatic white man who was still in the midst of his first term in the United States Senate ran for President, this race would be over.

Actually, you just described John Edwards in 2004.


by andrewalker08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:43:26 AM EST
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Re: I agree with that... (none / 0)

Or Bill Clinton? Uupps... he won!


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:44:19 AM EST
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Re: I agree with that... (none / 0)

A governor's a bit different from a Senator, as Bill Richardson likes to remind us.


by ejintx on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:49:50 AM EST
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Fact check... (none / 0)

...When Bill Clinton ran for President in 1992, he had been serving as Governor of Arkansas since 1982.   There is no comparison between serving as Governor for a combined total of twelve years and only being in the U.S. Senate for four years, with two of those years dedicated to running for President.


by andrewalker08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:52:14 AM EST
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Re: Fact check... (none / 0)

And you conveniently forget about his 6 (or 8, not sure) years in the Illinois legislature. And Illinois is quite a bit bigger than Arkansas, the problems he faced there are much more representative to the national problems he would face as President.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:54:05 AM EST
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In that case, I've got a bunch of Georgia... (none / 0)

...State Senators that I believe would make good Presidents because A.)  They've been in the state Senate for 6 or 8 years; and B.) Georgia is a larger state than Arkansas.


by andrewalker08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:12:18 AM EST
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Re: In that case, I've got a bunch of Georgia... (none / 0)

So what? This doesn't add anything to the discussion. I caught you and now you try to talk about something else entirely. Way to go.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:14:46 AM EST
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Here's what I said... (none / 0)

...When Bill Clinton ran for President in 1992, he had been serving as Governor of Arkansas since 1982.   There is no comparison between serving as Governor for a combined total of twelve years and only being in the U.S. Senate for four years, with two of those years dedicated to running for President.

And here's what you said:

And you conveniently forget about his 6 (or 8, not sure) years in the Illinois legislature. And Illinois is quite a bit bigger than Arkansas, the problems he faced there are much more representative to the national problems he would face as President.
What I did was apply your standard of serving in the Illinois state Senate for 6 or 8 years and serving in the U.S. Senate for 4 years as the threshold for being qualified to be President to my home state of Georgia.

If a state Senator here in Georgia ran for U.S. Senate, won, then started running for President two years later, I'd be the first to ask what the hell is he/she thinking.

It doesn't make any sense, but that is exactly what Obama is doing.  He's trying to go from state Senate to U.S. Senate to the White House in the span of four years.  


by andrewalker08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:28:26 AM EST
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Re: Here's what I said... (none / 0)

What you are doing is basically reducing the whole question of whether someone is ready to be President to how long he has served in an elected public position. That is not how it works though, and if it would work that way, Hillary would fail that standard as well.

In fact, the qualification needed to be President are manifold. Experience as an elected official is only a small part of what is needed. And what I am claiming is that if you agree that Pres. Clinton met this bar, then you should also agree that Sen. Obama meets it. Otherwise you are just dishonest.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM EST
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91% of black voters in MS voted for the black candidate. This is conclusive proof of racism on the part of Hillary Clinton.


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by Thomas J Jefferson on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:18:21 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

What is your point? Have you even read what I wrote?

Spamming trolls like you are simply not helpful to any discussion. And I say spamming trolls because I have found this same comment in three different diaries now, word by word.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:21:33 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

Have you even read my diary?


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:43:37 AM EST
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as a minority i have one word (none / 0)

BINGO!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:37:00 AM EST
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Re: Throwing the race card card on MyDD (none / 0)

A reasonably considered post. I have to think a bit to respond but I wanted to thank you for trying to move the conversation forward rather than shut it down.


by souvarine on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:46:39 AM EST

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Thanks.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:54:24 AM EST
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Race and sex are clearly factors, and why not?  If black voters feel that a black President can better understand and meet their needs, that's perfectly reasonable, and the same applies for women voting for Hillary.  I personally believe that both groups are incorrect.  Either candidate would be great for minorities AND women.  But if blacks see Obama as more of a "sure thing" and women see Hillary similarly, I can see why.

And I don't think voting accordingly is racist or sexist.  We identify with those who we believe are most like us, in some way.  Ferraro's argument may have been based in truth (even if she said it in the most God-awful way possible).  What's wrong with electing someone who'd be a good President and push good policies who ALSO happens to be symbolic of change in the country?  That applies equally to Obama and Clinton.        


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:32:00 PM EST


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